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mikee
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12/4/2002 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 12:36:30 PM ET
Obviously we all agree that Bernadette is doing incredibly well and so is the show itself but in my opinion... I don't think Marissa is that great at all....
| marc
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6/9/2003 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 1:20:22 PM ET
In awarding the Tony, the voters had to decide between an "unkown" who had to carry the entire show and a known quantity who one expects to carry the entire show. Marrisa in HAIRSRAY scored a homerun. Without her performance, the show would have sunk quite quickly. Thus, this makes her achievment a notch about Peter's in GYPSY.
Now which show and performer do I want to see again? Hands down it is Peters in Gypsy. Her performance was sublime.
| BroadwayBaby123
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6/25/2003 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 2:33:49 PM ET
Marc, I totally agree.
| jmslsu01
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I have some FB CDs-the only one I really don't care for is the Forbidden Hollywood CD. It's a live recording-and while I love live recordings,there is usually one or two things that have the audience in stitches while you have no idea what is going on. FH has too many of those moments. I just don't think it's as clever as the FB CDs (of course,there are hits and misses on the FB CDs as well.).
Of course,this is meant to be seen live,and it is updated from show to show. Which is why I don't listen to the CDs as regularly as I do my other Cds (currently listening to Patti LuPone's Matters of the Heart and loving it-and I'm not 100% crazy about Patti LuPone,so that's saying a lot!).
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|  Broadwaybaby17
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Thank you for understanding Jean! I would just like to say Kudos to both Bernadette and Merissa! I think Mamma Rose was a lifetime achievement for Bernadette even if she didn't get the Tony. Who needs a Tony when you are fulfilling a dream. It would have just been the icing on the cake.
Bump it with a trumpet!
| mikee
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12/4/2002 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 5:21:06 PM ET
I didn't feel Marissa carried the show at all... I thought Harvey kept it going... But that's just MY opinion...
| mikee
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|  UCFGuardgirl
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I think what's funny about the whole "Tony" situation is that Bernadette's Tony loss got much more publicity than Marisa's win. In conjunction, the loss seemed to jump-start ticket sales like crazy. As a matter of fact, I think Bernadette's Tony loss combined with her show-stopping performance at the Tonys have actually made her MORE popular and MORE respected than she was before. (Perhaps because the loss and the performance seemed to piggyback off one another in an intriging way. People who saw the performance could not understand the reasoning behind the loss. Or perhaps because Bernadette managed to upstage the critics and nay-sayers who thought she'd been mis-cast with that performance, and when she immediately afterwards lost the Tony, her newfound audience felt more jilted than she herself actually did. Or perhaps because she gave such a beautiful performance and lost with a great deal of humility, and has since not even mentioned or discussed the loss at any of her appearances -- even though I know her performance has been brought up. Or perhaps it's a combination of all of the above.)
Whatever the case, I think Bernadette's Tony loss -- however I personally feel she should have won -- actually has done more for her and for the show itself (and for the Shubert Theatre) in such a short time than Marisa's Tony will do for her, post-Hairspray. And in a way, I feel bad for Marisa because, with all the notoriety Bernadette's Tony performance and loss have recieved, she's really been shoved to the back-burner. Which is not such a great thing for a Broadway new-comer who really needs the publicity from such a high-profile win to keep herself in the public consciousness.
Not that I think her career is dependent on how much publicity she recieved from this win, but the fact of the matter is that she is a new face, and DID in fact perform just as Bernadette did, and needs the exposure 1,000 times more than Bernadette does. Yet, on Playbill.com she got a paragraph-long blurb about her win, while Bernadette got an entire article dedicated to her performance and her loss. Had Bernadette won? I actually think the article would have been much shorter, and the fuss made about her performance not as substantial. Does that make sense?
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| BroadwayBaby123
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6/25/2003 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 7:37:13 PM ET
I agree with you, however, I wouldn't say that Bernadette's win has made Hairspray's ticket sales poor. I know that it's probably one of the hardest shows on Broadway to get a ticket to right now. It's not as if Bernadette's performance and Gypsy itself has made Hairspray do any worse.
I personally think that the shows kind of attract different types of audiences, if you know what I mean. There are of course, "Broadway people" who see everything. However, I think the people who are seeing Gypsy are either big fans of the show, Bernadette, and more in tune with the theater community, and the people who are buying Hairspray tickets are people who have heard about the trendiness of the show. Hairspray has been open a pretty long time, and since most theater people usually see it within the first couple of months, I think the people buying tickets now are mostly just aware of the Tony win.
By the way, just out of curiousty, does anyone know if Bernadette or anyone from Gypsy has actually seen Hairspray? It seems like if someone spotted Bernadette there the press would have a field day!
| UCFGuardgirl
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Oh, I agree with you Broadwaybaby123; it's not like Hairspray sales have gone down, and I seriously doubt they would have, no matter how Gypsy and/or Bernadette did at the Tonys.
But I also sort of think Hairspray plateau-ed, from a financial standpoint. As in, it wasn't as if sweeping the Tonys or not winning any were going to have any adverse effect on whether or not they sold tickets. Obviously, they were going to sell tickets, still. They've BEEN selling tickets.
But I think Gypsy really needed the boost, financially. And I also think that the publicity surrounding Bernadette's performance and her seemingly undeserved Tony loss really helped bolster ticket sales. I know that most people seem to think winning the Tony automatically makes ticket sales go up, but I've never known that to be the case. If a show is up for as MANY Tonys as Hairspray was, likely it's because it's already been selling out and known commercially. So the win is kind of inconsequential.
If you ask me, the best thing that happened to Gypsy is the fact that it DIDN'T win any Tonys. It created a sort of mystique around a show that good initially very bad press. Then Bernadette was so good at the Tony awards, the show is known to be good in and of itself. So why no Tonys? All of a sudden people "remembered" they wanted to see the show.
And once people go see the show they realize how good it is, word of mouth spreads. Then they go back to see it again, and new people come at the same time.
The only problem with this is the star factor. I have to wonder how sucessful this show will be minus Bernadette in a year. The unfortunate thing about having Gypsy on Broadway is that it really is a "star vehicle," and without a star to pull it off well people stop wanting to see it.
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| Bwaybaby
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3/10/2001 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 8:19:09 PM ET
I agree completely with what Jean said about your "Forbidden Broadway" song. It was cleaver, but obviously not factual...which I understand, it wasn't meant to be because pretty much all Forbidden Broadway songs are based on fallacy or exaggerations.
Gypsy's advanced ticket sales were pretty high to begin with, but ticket sales did increase after the TONYS. Point is, the TONYS have nominated shows and nominated performers perform on the telecast and many people soley base their opinions on "who is TONY worthy" on the performance the see on that telecast. I personally think it definitely wasn't in Marissa's favor that the whole company of Hairspray performed leaving her with no stand out performance on the TONYS. But I can also see why they chose that number (because the show and Harvey were nominated too). Based solely on the TONY performances that night, then yeah, I think pretty much everyone would say Bernadette should win hands down.
I don't think anyone was saying that The TONYS has made Hairspray's ticket sales plummet. The show is still doing very well....but yes its true...Bernadette's TONY performance was MUCH more talked about then Marissa's( and in mostly a positive light too). I'd even go as far to say that Bernadette's Tony performance even overshadowed Marissa's win.
Its sort of strange how all the negative publicity Gypsy has gotten these past few months has actually been beneficial to the show. It definitely goes to show that people shouldn't base their opinions on a review they read in the paper!
I wouldn't just limit Gypsy's ticket sales to people who are fans of Bernadette or Gypsy...a LOT of out of towners just looking for a good night out( but are not necessarily avid theatre fans) go see Gypsy as well. I think people who have been inspired to go see Gypsy after watching the TONYS are probably going to see it because of the stand out performance Bernadette gave rather then the "Bernadette vs Marissa" issue out there. Its actually almost funny what a big deal people have been making of it...Bernadette and Marissa don't hate eachother because of the TONYS so I don't see why theatre fans have to hate either actress because of it either.
|  moljul
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| posted: 7/16/2003 at 8:56:00 PM ET
Well I saw Harvey Fierstein at Gypsy a couple of weeks ago (viewing 10 for me!) but not the other way around.
| BroadwayBaby123
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6/25/2003 | posted: 7/16/2003 at 11:32:07 PM ET
I agree that Bernadette's performance definitely overshadowed all the wins that Hairspray received. I think that aside from the fact that the performance itself was phenomenol, it made people's mouths actually hang open in disbelief that Gypsy didn't win.
Marisa and Hairspray were kind of the "thing" there for awhile...and then of course, with all the negative publicity Gypsy got, I can see why, at the time the voters were casting their ballots, they put Hairspray down instead. Think about it...if all that garbage they were printing about Bernadette and Gypsy continued and everyone voted for Gypsy, that would have shed a terrible light on the Tony voters. I think voting for Hairspray was more of a "security" vote so that no one looked bad. Imagine if, God Forbid, Bernadette was still very sick for her Tony performance, got up there and struggled through a performance, and then they announced her as the winner? It's too bad that the voters are such babies about things like that.
| mikee
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12/4/2002 | posted: 7/17/2003 at 1:41:27 AM ET
I agree a lot with what has been said... After Bernadette's performance on the TONY'S I think all the people who said she wasn't right for the role swallowed their words backs up... And also, that that performance helped make the GYPSY ticket sales sky rocket... I dunno if you would say she made the HAIRSPRAY ticket sales go down but she definitely started pulling more people towards GYPSY post TONY'S... She truly is amazing!
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