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Scottie
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Edinburgh, Scotland | posted: 10/14/2006 at 7:33:07 PM ET
Is there a definitive Bernadette Peters Discography out there ... somewhere? ... by which I mean a discography that includes not only the easily available CD's but also all those interesting little 45's from the 1960's onwards?
as Bernadette says....just keep moving on.....
|  Jean
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6/7/2003 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 7:42:16 PM ET
I guess the timeline is as complete as we have. Those little 45's that you mention are there, I don't know if we have all of them but I suspect we do.
The timeline filtering feature is especially useful for this...
| Karen
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A couple of years ago we had a fairly extensive discussion of this question. If you put "discography" in the search box, it'll come up.
So far the timeline hasn't really been set up so that it can be useful as a discography. Maybe that's something we should work on.
| Jean
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6/7/2003 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 7:57:06 PM ET
Oh, we can do it!
discography
see especially Jenn's list on Jan 3--I think that's the final final.
| Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 8:01:40 PM ET
Thanks for the link, Jean. I was being lazy.
| Jean
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6/7/2003 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 8:01:56 PM ET
Well I just noticed the glaring flaw in the timeline--none of the Broadway cast recordings are listed. Gah...
Got to run, someone, I'll bet, will think of something.
| Scottie
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Jean, Karen, thank you both so much for those links. It's so interesting to read this board's past conversations regarding Bernadette's recordings.
Reading through those links I think Karen pretty much nailed all those 1960's 45's titles which intrigue me so much.
But, how fascinating to read all the other stuff that was being discussed in the thread at that time. I mean - someone doesn't like Oliver ? It is such a great musical with memorable tunes and such a wonderful story - and the original book was not too shabby either!
I reckon Bernadette would have made a great "Nancy" ... if only she could get that accent right .... 
as Bernadette says....just keep moving on.....
| Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 9:07:58 PM ET
Scottie, whenever I'm depressed I'll listen to "Who Wiil Buy" from the OBC. Perfect pick-me-up. I think I'll go listen now.
| Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 10/14/2006 at 9:21:27 PM ET
I just did. Exhilarating! They don't write 'em like that any more. What a classic!
| Scottie
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I just did. Exhilarating! They don't write 'em like that any more. What a classic!
It's not half bad is it? The rest of the score is pretty great too. Every single song is famous from that musical when you come to think of it. In fact, I don't think there is a dud in the whole score. Poor old Lionel Bart had such a great talent but a very bad life style ... maybe if he had actually invested some of his valuable time and considerable talent into Bernadette's La Strada ... who knows?
as Bernadette says....just keep moving on.....
| Karen
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Ah, yes. The great unanswered question...
| jmslsu01
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I made the Oliver comment. The score is great. No question. However, I've never seen a production of the show that I liked. Perhaps that is the problem. I remember something that Peter Filichia wrote in his Let's Put on a Musical book (a new edition of the book was published this August) about very familiar shows-don't produce them as if you assume the audience knows the story. That's boring. When you are able to see a fresh production-and this does not mean you must do a total reworking of a show-you are able to see different aspects of the show. He was discussing West Side Story, but it applies to anything that can be regarded as a musical theatre classic, of which I would regard Oliver!
I've only seen community theater productions of the show, and it's literally been years since I've seen an Oliver! production. One was at a community theater in a New Orleans suburb and another was done by a Methodist church in New Orleans, which is known for its admirable productions by parishoners and friends (they always have live music in their shows).
Now, I have a huge soft spot for community theater. The people involved in it-from the actors to the people collecting tickets-are the embodiment of the word "amateur"-which doesn't mean "unprofessional" in a negative sense, but rather someone who does something for pleasure rather than for profit. And, yes, this is a romanticization of community theatre, for there are some gawd-awful ones out there, for sure, there are some "interesting" people associated with it, and a director who will cast his tyrannical little daughter, who thinks she is one bus stop away from Broadway, as Annie. Sometimes, it can be the longest Sunday afternoon of your life (my sister played clarinet in community theaters in the area, and we went to them all). This is why I feel like a space alien when people enthuse about Li'l Abner. OhMyGod.
And then community theater can be a really cool place for theater-crazed teens who go to a school where sports takes precedence over the dramatic arts. It may seem as a cliche to say that the cast and crew become a "family," but it does happen in community theater.
Good Lord-didn't mean to go off on a tangent like that. But when I typed my Oliver! community experiences, I didn't want to come across as being anti-amateur productions.
My Achilles heel is with "As Long As He Needs Me." Yes, it's a character song, and yes, it does illustrate the mindset of this battered woman. It fits in with the show.
But here's my issue. I heard it performed many times as a solo piece, with no context surrounding it, as there is in the show. Long before I saw a production of the show. It's a strange and unsettling song to hear when you don't hear the context. It's bothersome enough when you are familiar with the context, and know the character. And when I heard(and hear it) sung as a solo piece, I cringed (cringe). I can't help it. Intellectually, I understand everything as to why those lyrics are there.
And again--I've never seen a good production of the show. It's been a long time since I've watched the movie, so I should refresh my memory as to how Shari Wallis portrays Nancy.
Sorry you brought it up? 
Jenn
| Jean
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I've put the Broadway (and others) cast recording info. in the Timeline--but I think there's another place for this. Hmm...
Hi, Jenn..nice to hear from you.
(You must try to see another production of Oliver. I saw a local --Equity --production last December and it moved and thrilled me, I was not prepared for the emotional impact. And, speaking of songs that speak of a woman's despair and willingness to accept what I consider an unacceptable/unhealthy relationship: "The Very Next Man" from Fiorello, and "What's The Use of Wonderin'" from Carousel, while both have lovely meolodies, ...make me cringe.)
| Karen
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Yeah, older Broadway show music is permeated with female masochism and self-abnegation (as wishfully imagined by male lyricists). When I was younger it really sickened me. Now I just distance myself by analysing it in a more or less ironic fashion.
| Scottie
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It was ever thus from Musical Theatre to Opera and Film. Nowadays, (post Fatal Attraction), it almost seems the family pet and not the heroine is more likely to be the first victim in a movie.
Such interesting points all round. I think " As Longs He Needs Me" is a great stand-out song in the musical. Of course it's a standard "victim" song, but surely it has to be since poor old Nancy is arguably the real victim of the piece? But isn't it so interesting that Dickens makes her character heroic and brave as well? I imagine it's true to say that Dickens was a writer whose "social journalism" in various publications made him the social conscience of his day and all his works of fiction reflect that part of his nature. ..... I suppose most of us have the video or DVD of Hey Mr Producer! - there you will find the wonderful Sonia Swaby delivering a refreshingly defiant and angry interpretation of the song.
Karen, when I am 'down in the dumps' I often take a look at one of my favourite books "The Private Eye Bumper Book of Boobs" which always makes me laugh. Among the many misprints and silly boobs collected there is one newspaper clipping which is advertising the weekend films in three West End cinemas in 1968 ....
ACADEMY 2 ...Laurence Olivier's OTHELLO (U)
ACADEMY 3 ...Laurence Olivier in THE DANCE OF DEATH (A)
LEICESTER SQ ...OLIVIER! (U) 6 Oscars incl. Best Picture
But getting back to Bernadette and La Strada ... did she ever sing any of those songs from the show on TV or anywhere? Anyone know?
as Bernadette says....just keep moving on.....
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